Every time I do a debate with some wingnut these days, they are always citing the National Journal poll that lists Obama as the most liberal member of the Senate. More liberal than Russ Feingold? Really? More liberal than socialist Bernie Sanders? Seriously?
I guess it's time to debunk this myth once again.
Common sense alone should tell anyone that Barack Obama's voting record is almost idential to Hillary Clinton's, and she's roundly considered a "centrist" Democrat. So how did the National Journal screw this up? Josh Patashnik at TNR actually did a good analysis.
Problem #1 -- they don't count missed votes, and Obama was on the road campaigning for much of the time. He publicly supported free trade with Peru, which would have counted as a "conservative" vote, for instance. Since a large group of Democrats are only separated by a few votes, one or two votes could dramatically change the rankings.
Problem #2 -- they impute ideology when it isn't necessarily there:
Two of Russ Feingold's four "conservative" votes were against Democratic bills that would have endorsed a partition of Iraq and limited the mission of U.S. troops there to counterterrorism and training missions. These "conservative" votes, like Sanders's on immigration, came because he was further left than the bulk of the Democratic caucus.
The ridiculousness of the system explains why Chris Dodd was ranked the 23rd most liberal senator, casting four "conservative" votes:
One was against the Office of Public Integrity bill. Another was against an obscure amendment that, in a similar vein, would have tightened conflict-of-interest rules for individuals serving on FDA advisory panels (Kerry and Ted Kennedy took the "conservative" side with Dodd). The other two were Iraq votes on measures setting withdrawal timelines for American troops, which Dodd, who during the presidential campaign criticized Obama and Hillary Clinton from the left on Iraq, opposed because he wanted an even more aggressive timeline. And because Dodd was absent for so many votes, the impact of these "conservative" votes was magnified--so the very liberal Dodd landed right in the middle of the Democratic pack, despite not casting a single genuinely conservative vote.
During his first two years in office, when he wasn't campaiging and was there for most votes, Obama ranked 16th and 10th, which is probably a lot closer to where he stands. As TNR notes:
A separate and more elaborate ranking system, developed by highly regarded political scientists Jeff Lewis and Keith Poole, found him to be the 11th most liberal senator in 2007 and 21st most liberal in the previous Congress.
The good news? Despite being pegged as a "liberal," Obama is still winning. Which means that its negative connotations may be disappearing. This is no doubt largely due to the fact that its alternative -- modern conservatism -- is associated with those who have driven America into a ditch.
Thanks, wingnuts. It would have been hard to reclaim the word "liberal" quite so quickly without such a spectacular, all-consuming flameout.
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The wingnuts are 100% winning this election for Obama. It’s the over-reach that knocked em out of the race. Love it. Almost worthy of a fable….
Progressive Punch rates Obama the 27th most progressive Senator, with a voting record that is only 87% progressive over his Senate career. On the total Senate roll, sorted by progressive score for 2007-2008, he’s located between Joe Lieberman and Mark Pryor at number 46.
That’s right. Over the past year and a half, Joe freakin’ Lieberman is more progressive than Barack Obama.
Thanks Jane.
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You beat me to it. If you hadn’t referred to Progressive Punch, I was going to. Progressive Punch let’s you know how each congress critter scores on the specific issues.
Of course, it also helps to look at how PP defines “Progressive.” Turns out that Nancy Pelosi is one of their exemplars of what progressive means.
Bob in HI
Don’t get me started on joseph lieberman.
I always insist on being referred to as “arch liberal”
Jim, thanks for mentioning this- I had checked out PP a few weeks ago and saw just this Oh and Bob too for adding.
So what if he is? I want a liberal administration. I don’t apologise for being liberal. Why should Sen. Obama?
When the economy is bad, voters move toward the Democrats. When the economy tanks, they run. Sometimes a bleeding heart liberal is exactly what you want. They worry about the poor, and right now there are precious few out there that aren’t worried about being or becoming poor.
National Journal’s credibility was shot when it named Kerry the most liberal. It is obvious they name of the Democratic candidate for President as the most liberal. I have no doubt Hillary would have gotten the “most liberal” tag if she was the nominee.
Former Oklahoma Gov. Frank Keating, a McCain campaign co-chairman, edged up to an explicitly racial attack on Barack Obama on Thursday, describing the Illinois Senator as a “guy of the street” before raising his youthful drug use.
Appearing on Dennis Miller’s radio show, Keating charged that the Democratic nominee was covering up his “very extreme” record, and urged Obama to be more honest with Americans. “He ought to admit,” Keating said, “‘You know, I’ve got to be honest with you. I was a guy of the street. I was way to the left. I used cocaine. I voted liberally, but I’m back at the center.’”
the main problem is the fact that being liberal is not being wing, being liberal IS centrist
the vast majority of americans are have liberal positions, they might identify themselves with a concervative party but they are liberal never the less
My dad is a die hard koolaid drinker. No question that he’s going to vote for McCain. Do I jeapardize his health and tell him his darling wants to take away his social security (he’s pushing 80)?
there’s someone on the kooby show who says palin has been tasked with “infiltrating” the republican party, but she is a a die hard alaskan independant.
we need more of that
to what end? Hell, we have people here that are doing more to get McCain elected.
yes
simple answers to complex questions
Than his one vote would.
I actually don’t even like Obama, because he’s not even close to progressive enough. I mean, I’m voting for him, don’t get me wrong, but he’s certainly not my choice.
On the other hand, when you’re next to Palin, Bush, Cheney, Yoo, Addington, McCain, Rush, Savage, Hannity… Obama probably looks a lot like Karl Marx.
I’m with you on this. I’m so sick of the way we just accept this frame and get defensive about this claim, that he’s the most liberal senator. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate the fact checking in Jane’s post. I also like the way Obama just smiles and moves on when McCain brings up this tarnished little gem. But I wish we could just reject the framing that liberal is somehow pejorative.
Why are Republican politicians allowed to be proud of their conservative bona fides, while Democratic politicians have to be defensive about being liberal? We even had to come up with a new word–progressive–and we have more people on our side. This is insane. Especially considering where we are as a country.
For once I’d like Obama to say, “Thanks for the compliment. I’m proud to be liberal. I’m just trying to follow in the footsteps of my Savior, Jesus Christ, the most important liberal in history. And I’m doubly proud since most of America is rejecting conservatism.”
Yeah, it’ll never happen. But I’m sick of the apologizing.
What a reminder: NO wonder our country is in such trouble. Laura Ingraham had Blackwell from Ohio on her radio show to talk about honest voting in the Ohio election this year. I guess she was talking to him with a straight face.
Perhaps the best way to refute this faux charge is to listen to what conservative National Review publisher Wick Allison has to say:
Isn’t that the point the Mc Cain camp is making?
Yup. Anybody with a pea-sized brain would know that this metric is pure bullshit. Hmmm. Kerry was the most liberal Senator in 2004 and Obama is the most liberal Senator in 2008. What an amazing coincidence!
“What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then … we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.” [September 14, 1960] JFK
that’s definitely the new talking point: that Obama needs to be more honest with the American people. I heard both McCain and caribou barbie say that this a.m. do they project much? sheesh.
more honest? more honest than Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Miers, Ari, Perino, McClellan, Feith, Yoo, Gramm, Black, Smith, Rove, Cindy, Fiorina, Gonzalez? more honest than a wall street banker?
I thought Kerry was the most liberal. And wait, wasn’t Edwards?
Great stuff. thanks for posting it.
Jane and everyone,
Obama is not the most liberal (whatever that means) senator.
He is a guy to whom we pin our hopes.
But a guy who is beholden to corporate interests.
Think about it: if he were a real agent of change, the evil fucks in power would not tolerate him.
Just notice how much energy the Republicans spend “defining” everyone and everything….operation this…operation that…liberal…terrorist…islamofascism…pro-abortion…unpatriotic.
Refuse to allow them to define us anymore!!! I’m really sick of them. They need to be made to go and never to be allowed into power again.
Patashnik gets this wrong:
He is referring to the Biden-Gelb Plan for Iraq, which got 75 votes from both sides of the aisle. Feingold was the only Dem to vote no. Obama did not vote.
The plan did not call for partition, although Brokaw and many Republicans continue to call it that. The plan was actually based on federalism as provided for within the Iraqi constitution, not partition, similar to the way our states are organized separately from the federal government. No surprise there, since the Bush administration mostly drafted the Iraqi constitution.
As Biden explained it at the time, the idea was to give Iraqis control over matters such as policing and marriage laws at the local level, within three semi-autonomous areas that are each predominantly inhabited by a single ethnic/religious group. Defense, allocation of oil resources, and other “national” issues would be within the control of the federal government. When this amendment passed last year, the diaspora of Iraqis toward the enclaves of their own groups was well under way. It has only accelerated since then because of the violence. Biden’s hope was that the country as a whole could be held together, because a true partition would be so destabilizing in the region.
This was not a “liberal/conservative” vote, for the most part. The only foreign policy heavyweight who voted no was Hagel. Lugar voted yes, along with Kennedy and Kerry.
Thanks for this, Jane! A friend of a friend is a suddenly on the fence Republican and I used a link to this story and a link to Obama’s voting record to show that he is far from a liberal. Now I have to address her second concern - is Obama a racist.
Which side of himself should he be racist about?
LOL.
Barnacle saying to Tweety that GM’s bankruptcy could very well end McCain’s campaign. I didn’t catch “why”. Anyway, today GM went down the tubes…a breath of air and they will collapse.
Obama racist? I hadn’t heard that talking point.
I heard it. he was saying because of GM;s place in U.S. economy. If it falls under - bankrupts(it was under $5 bucks a share today) that means massive losses of jobs and that translates into a loser for Mccain
Liberal: adj. 1. relating to or having social and political views that favor progress and reform. 2. relating to or having policies or views advocating individual freedom. 3. giving and generous in temperament or behavior. 4. tolerant of other people. (Collins Concise English Dictionary)
The idea is that he is a black arab African Muslim secretly communist, black power, Farrakhan supporting, baby eater. You know…the one you see acting so insanely on the teevee during the debates….yeah, that racist.
“Playing the race card” can be considered racist by racists.
Thanks *g*.
Very good. It goes both ways.
Obama racist? Against who? His mother and grandparents who raised him?
When was the race card played?
Fuck the Republicans.
oooohh kill whitey type of black power. got it
Who was it that went to Michigan and said the auto jobs were not coming back?
You read my mind LS
Here’s the audio from that part of the speech
ugh scarborough on my teevee
Just got one of “those” e-mails from a dem asking how Obama got all his money and referencing his moslem college roommates….found the e-mail on the internet in several spots with different women’s names attached. The dem who sent the letter (who I know well) had bought the letter hook, line, and sinker….
This race is getting uglier by the day. Don’t know if the shit will wash
mccain. anti-detroit, anti-american
why does he hate america? what are his ties ot honda, bmw and *gasp* kia? Does he have ties to the likes of Mercedes Benz, Toyota and volvo?
Why does he hate america?
It is far from over. I’m sure there will be other attempted bombshells that they are holding back…
if they are swayed by that light bullshit, they were teetering to begin with.
“I’m not on the dollar bill”…now, don’t get mad at me, that’s what THEY say.
Jane,
What is up with the “Yes on 8″ banner ad? Does FDL have any control on this or does FDL make money everytime we click on the ad? I hope you are not suggesting we actually support 8.
You mean like “high yella”?
euuwww gross, no way
I can’t wait to have this discussion with rethugs after we win with 363 electoral votes….
Oh I remember that. LOL. He doesn’t look like them. He has his own hair, his own teeth and lacks facial hair. Oh, and he doesn’t have the funky greenish hue for skin colour
lol, umm no more like ‘red bone’ *g*
Could be- but I’ve seen quite a few older dems finding excuses lately to sit the election out or back McCain. McBush is hoping to take advantage of latent doubts based on race…hope it won’t work- I suspect that the tide is too tall for it- but it’s goin on.
Its time to start planning.
Well congratulations, it looks like we will win and gain substantially in the Senate and the House.
Now is the time for each of us, and all of us out here, to start the drumbeat for the primary challanges of 2010. Each and every member of the Party who voted for the 700 billion dollar rip off that Barak supported will be targeted for replacement with a true progressive.
We are starting now to campaign to replace Harry in the Senate and Nancy in the House. They both have more than amply demonstrated that they have neither the guts or the smarts to lead in the Congress. We are not taking back to government to let incompetent jerks give away the store to the corporate interests.
We want an honest, strong, and smart Secretary of the Treasury appointed. If Barak appoints anyone other than Warren Buffet, they had better be prepared to show that they have all the qualifications of a Warren Buffet. Buffet will not either sqander our money or fail to get value for our dollar. No political Hacks need apply and any history of elective office will disqualify the person immediately.
To echo Barak, this win is not an end, it is the first step of We the People takeing back that which is ours. A very good thing for politicians to remember.
keyword– older dems
this type of stuff is less of a factor with each younger generation. my generation (i’m mid twenties) could care less what color, religion, sexual orientation, etc. a person is. It just doesn’t matter for us but I’m thrilled that there are older generations that also don’t care or at least are voting with their interest at heart.
I was about to ask the same question.
I don’t get it. The supposedly “progressive” radio station in SF is running a horrible ad in support of Prop 8 during shows like Stephanie Miller and Randi Rhodes. WTF?
NRA ends the uncertainty and comes out for McCain and the MooseKiller.
Wow!
Why didn’t Obama get dressed up and go kill a goose?
i never saw that coming.
He is in the pocket for Goose-PAC
anyone notice that McCain rallys look like a gigantic smear of paste? Not one person of color.
Well…they also ran one for (I kid you not)…Barracuda Networks. I thought it was a joke ad but it’s a real company that touts better email management. LOL. I thought they were going to tell me to send all my emails to Tadd.
It played right on the Stephanie Miller show after they rehashed “how about sarah palin hah? hah? hah?” cracked me up.
GM is at the intersection of the current economic meltdown, high gas prices, and a perennially out of touch corporate leadership.
Yeah, I was wondering how the very few black GOP delegates were feeling after the latest round of
lynch mobstownhall meetings.McCain/Palin and spice are spending two days in Wisconsin tryin to move it red- 538 has the state Obama plus ten..
Why the hell is McBush in Wisconsin?
true enough? but the point is that as it goes, so does the jobs and that is bad news for mccain
ive seen a few on tv but i wish someone would ask them about this latest round of negative camnpaigning.
Especially when they are wearing those white sheets
McSame has his felony buddies.
http://www.slate.com/id/77067/
More on Chuck Colson
http://www.newsweek.com/id/114734
Charles (Chuck) Wendell Colson (born October 16, 1931, in Boston, Massachusetts) was the chief counsel for President Richard Nixon from 1969 to 1973 and while he was commonly named as one of the Watergate Seven, he was never charged with, or prosecuted, for any crime related to the Watergate break-in or its cover-up. After extensively investigating Colson’s activities relating to Watergate, Special Prosecutor Leon Jaworski attempted to make a deal with Colson in which Colson would agree to plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge relating to Watergate, in exchange for which Jaworski agreed to recommend that he not be sentenced to prison. Colson felt doing so would be pleading guilty to a crime he did not commit. Instead, Colson counter-offered. Colson told Jaworski that he would agree to plead guilty to the crime of obstruction of justice, not in relation to Watergate, but in relation to the planning of the break-in at the office of Daniel Elsberg’s psychiatrist. This was a crime of which Jaworski had no knowledge. Colson insisted also that Jaworski would not be constrained to recommend no prison time. At the sentencing, Judge Sirica sentenced Colson to the maximum prison term permitted under federal law.
http://www.daylife.com/topic/Charles_Colson
“John McCain and George W. Bush, who agree about virtually nothing, agree about Charles Colson,” Plotz wrote. In a speech, McCain “singled out Colson for praise, complimenting the Watergate felon for his prison ministry. Bush, meanwhile, has given Colson a Texas prison wing to run on Christian principles,” Plotz wrote.
How’s that again? Bush and McCain endorsed a convicted felon who once advocated bombing Washington buildings and urged using Teamsters like Gestapo thugs to beat up anti-war demonstrators? How can McCain forgive Charles Colson and praise his later commendable works when he will not do the same for Ayers?
McCain has also lauded (”I’m proud of you!”) right-wing broadcaster G. Gordon Liddy, a man convicted for his mastermind role in the burglary of the Democratic National Committee in the Watergate, and for which he served four years in prison. According to Huffington Post, Liddy hosted a fund-raiser for McCain and chipped in a few thousand bucks of his own.
If the McCain camp tends to be a little short on forgiveness and long on hatred, we need to ask which religion it is they happen to be practicing. Christian forgiveness, by their lights, seemingly only pertains to Republicans—especially those guilty of espionage against Democrats. Somebody explain it to me. Isn’t it the zenith of hypocrisy for McCain to boast of his associations with Colson and Liddy while his running mate damns Obama for associating with Ayers?
Sherwood Ross is a Miami-based writer who has worked for major dailies, wire services, news magazines, and civil rights groups. Reach him at sherwoodr1@yahoo.com.
http://www.daylife.com/topic/Charles_Colson
If only he was the most liberal senator. But I’ll settle for “most liberal president.”
Exactly, and it all is based on the fact that Senators and Reps. who are away campaigning get “amplified” as liberals since they aren’t around voting on all the insipid little bills for National Peanut Day, or some small tribute to the “Mother of the Year”. Then the National Journal selects a set of votes that place the candidate intentionally in the “most liberal” category. And many of those votes are, as Jane points out, subjective as to why the individual voted on way or another.
Probably the better measure would be to take the year or two before in the National Journals ratings since then the candidates are less likely to be “fingered” by the Journal.
This is kinda sick. A guy wrote a story abt the future and McSame wins the election because of a bombing at the Arch in St. Louis on Oct 31.
http://www.washingtonian.com/a...../3444.html
Sanders or Kerry or Kennedy or Feingold must really be ticked off to find Obama has out done them. Heh.
One of the funniest bits I ever saw on t.v. (and a shocking one really) had a White guy getting a ride home with a Black friend from work. The Black guy was all ‘normal’ at work, but in the car he pops a tape in the deck (old show) and it starts in with “kill Whitey kill whitey kill Whitey” and after a while the White guy asks what the songs is called.
The Black guy says with a straight face, “Justice”
It just kills. slays. knocks ‘em dead. off the wall hilarious.
Sad thing is we can all imagine this really happening since we know the two separate worlds Blacks in America (so-called African Americans) have to negotiate. What do they really stand for is the big question? A guy I know said it’s always the same, when you’re with one it’s okay, but when there are two or more Blacks, then they revert to “Black culture” whatever that is and it’s all ‘yo’, ‘dog’, hate and kinda like a Palin rally.
Okey dokey? You betcha! Kill Traitor Kill very sick stuff
So, what does it mean? It means we have a long way to go to resolve these differences and find some way of getting along better than we do now. Amazingly this isn’t a lot different than the crazed religion-based divisions in the Middle East and some other differences in other places.
What’s called for is tolerance in the face of anger. It isn’t easy.