Ok, you get the fact that life as we know it is over. You also get that things could get a whole lot worse in terms of your life as a consumer before they are going to get better. What you don't 'get' is how you, as an individual is going to navigate through this period until we all somehow come into the sun(cue sfx of birds singing and cash registers ringing).
A big part of the problem is that the whole concept of 'being thrifty' got thrown out the window about 1982 - that's as close as I can come to a date when people who before could not put their hands on a credit card for love, money, their first born or anything else...all of a sudden became a 'desireable market'. The reason I know that is that when the DH and I were young, foolish and early married, we couldn't get a credit card despite two jobs that together earned us $25K in 1979.
By 1985, when I was working at a different job and also serving on the loan committee of my company's credit union, we were packaging 'credit card consolidation loans' for people already in the hole(and taking away all their cards except for Sears so that they could get a new furnace if they needed one).
But, I digress -- before this period, there were a lot of people out there who had 'thrifty skills'. Yes, there were folks like the grannies who were washing and saving plastic bread bags. I don't see that really as thrift - that's recycling. Thrift was knowing that buying your lunch out was a big mistake. Thrift was knowing that buying crappy clothes and shoes was NOT a good way to go.
What happened to that? Well, besides the whole 'loose credit' thing(and we know what that has done to us), what also happened was :Walmart, Payless, Target, H&M, etc. etc. all around the world. It is not just us here in the US of A who have seduced away from thrift...but people all over Europe as well. The engine that serves all of those 'cheap goods at cheap prices' is all the manufacturing that takes place in places such as China, Vietnam, socalled American Samoa, etc. And we won't go into here the effect of having that engine out there..and not within our national borders any longer. Suffice it to say that finding an American made pair of leather shoes is a chore.
So, what is thrift in today's 'buy and throw away' environment?We won't get into your 401K (which looks as if it's on life support at the moment - we all have this issue). Let's look at actual stuff of daily living.
Rule 1: Think of yourself as a diabetic: plan how you are going to put things into your mouth that will nourish you and get you through the day...and do it ahead of time. Diabetics do not walk out of the house and, on an adhoc basis, purchase stuff as they go along.
The ones I know plan out and take stuff with them to work, school etc. They are not at the mercy of whatever coffee shop or restaurant happens to be out there inviting them in when they feel hungry. How to put this in motion and what makes it thrifty: If you are single, this is not so easy. This is an opportunity to get together with friends, do some planning, buy stuff in bulk, cook it up, put it in the fridge and be ready for the week(and how great is that).
This works the same way for families as well: once a week, sit down, actually discuss "what do we want to eat this week" make out the shopping list, buy, cook or package, and get ready for the week. Yes, it takes time away from watching tv and football and going out drinking with your friends(unless you want to combine drinking with your friends with cooking, which is actually a great idea). But it saves time and stress and money.
The last time I bought a take out salad that had cheese and nuts in it, it cost me $7.50. Trust me, you can do this from ingredients that you buy at the store for a whole lot less and you will eat better; you will have control over what you eat, how much you eat, etc. I used to spend about $50 a week on lunches and coffee. I don't spend that any more. That money goes into the bank and accumulates.
That, my friends, is thrift. It is worth your while to do it and it puts money in your pocket(or keeps money from jumping out of your pocket and into someone else's pocket). Thrift - it's the new black.
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Hey Toby, isn’t it funny how people got greedy and stupid during the Reagan years. Keep the good thoughts coming.
Great post Toby.
This is a wonderful series Toby, we should be able to subscribe to it
the digg is open
Thanks, Toby, I like the theme.
I’ve learned to cut down on the cost of food. What helps is eating simple, unprocessed and inexpensive food, rather than ready made or processed food, unless they’re on sale. I make batches and freeze, so don’t have to sacrifice convenience. One little trick is to buy slices of cheese at the deli rather than buying a block of cheese. My favorite grocery store carries bulk items including spices which cuts down on the weekly cost of grocery shopping.
Another thing about sales, couponing,etc. is this: If it isn’t something you like a whole lot and eat on a regular basis, then buying it is not a bargain. It will sit there and rot in the fridge. That’s why sitting down and planning is great with the Sunday grocery ads because you can look at what is on special and say to yourself or your cooking group or the family: Hey, Safeway(or Giant or Wegmans or whoever) has a special on whole chickens this week: How about we buy a mess of them, cut them up, split them up, and make soup with the rest? Rather than, “Hey, xxx has a special on tongue this week..how about we buy a mess of it and…” If I did that in MY family, you’d be able to hear the eyeballs clicking back into people’s heads all the way to Boston.
Another thing that is actually thrifty in terms of buying food that doesn’t seem to be a bargain on its face but really is: buying those boxes of prewashed greens(sometimes it’s a bag, but at my store, it’s a big plastic box which has the added bennies that I can use it for other food storage). We used to buy heads of lettuce. My son loves that stuff in sandwiches. It is not my favorite; I think it tastes like green paper towels. the problem with heads of lettuce is that once you’ve cut into it and made your salad or used it on a sandwich or whatever, you can wrap it all you want to, but it’s going to (cue scary music) turn brown. And then it turns slimy …and then you throw what is probably 3/4 of a head of lettuce out. With the prewashed greens, I throw a bunch into a bag with tomato, etc. and I’ve got an instant good quality salad. I have yet to have to throw out any of that stuff. It is more expensive than a head of lettuce..but on a per use basis..it is a bargain.
Wonderful piece, Toby. We’ve been having a running conversation with our 17 year old daughter who is having a difficult time adjusting to the concept that she doesn’t have to be spending money every second in order to enjoy time with her friends. She just can’t come to terms with the idea that when we were in high school (sounds like the same early seventies when you might have been), we never ate out with our friends. We’re coming closer to getting more home family meals than other arrangements, but it hasn’t been easy to achieve.
She still doesn’t understand why I more than doubled our supply of nonperishable food since hurricane season is nearly over. The idea that we could be facing actual food shortages in the next few months just doesn’t get through.
Yes, our first credit card also came in the early eighties, but we were still post-docs and didn’t really have the income then to justify it. We were careful to pay it off each month, so I don’t think the card company liked us all that much.
Ah, JIm, you are bringing up another topic for the series: Entertainment that does NOT involve spending money. Frankly, I think(and I’m giving away the store here in terms of what the topic involves for me)that one of the things that actually has done more to hurt the American family(no, it’s not ‘teh gay marriage’)is that with easy credit, multiple vehicles, and malls in every direction, family members did not have to actually get along with one another. They could just take off and go shopping. Parents did not have to deal with real bedrock relationship issues - all they had to do was hand over the credit cards, the car keys and let the kids go. When people can’t spend money, and have to stay home…with God help us…one another, what will we do now? You have the parents who already go to their compliant doctors to get their kids put on psychotropic drugs so that they don’t have to deal with any conflicts with them. And then we have the non-parents who throw their kids out on their own. But how do we pull families together? Do things together? This is going to be painful…a step at a time…more to come.
Toby, can you point me to the first in this series - the one about apartment dwelling and ideas to control what you can there? I have hunted and cannot find it…
Heh: There you go.
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/543
Something I mentioned above that got lost in the ‘plan food for the week and take your lunch’ thing is clothing. Take a look in the closet and the dresser drawers this week.
If, suddenly, there was no way for you to buy clothing for at least the next year..what would you do? If, like a lot of us, you’ve been buying your clothes from Walmart, Target, H&M, etc.(fast fashion, cheap, of the moment, and usually thin, sleazy, and made using petroleum). How would you handle your clothing yourself as these items started to fall apart? “Make do and mend”? Do you know how to mend? Is there anything worth mending in clothing like these?
My answer is: Don’t bother. There isn’t anything worth mending in these items - their best use as they fall apart is as dust rags. You need clothing that is made well, made out of stuff you CAN mend or can get mended, clothing that will take care of you. Best place to find clothing like this(no matter how much money you have) is at charity places like Salvation Army, used clothing stores, and vintage. Look for suits, sportcoats and pants that look like the stuff you are seeing on “Mad Men” - this means they were made between the 50s and the 70s, when men’s clothing was made out of fibers like wool, cotton, and linen and made well. Women’s clothing still tended to be made out of natural fabrics but they were more fashion oriented - you will find additions of acrylic and nylon, but still they will be made better than anything you will be able to afford and find in stores today.
But, you say, I work in blue jeans, tees and sneakers (or the dressier forms of khakis, golf shirts and loafers). Sorry, you will get no sympathy from me - invest in good, well made clothing. It will take care of you - and besides, dressing up at work is not a bad thing — it will make them think you are bucking for a promotion.
Thanks for the article . . . I’m passing it on to my daughter. (Sometimes printed stuff that DOESN’T come from Mom is somehow truer, realer, more meaningful.)
Another issue regarding ‘buying in bulk’ though from a different perspective: recently hubby was speaking with a friend, discussing these distressing economic times. The friend recommended (urged) that hubby invest in gold–suggesting that at least a portion of our meager savings should target this ‘consistent exchange medium.’ As we discussed the matter, I explained that I know nothing about gold, and we would have to begin from the ground up . . . finding a reputable seller being the first problem. I then suggested an alternative, using the excuse that we can’t EAT gold, even if it is more valuable than paper money. My suggestion: toilet paper, detergent, macaroni, beans, rice . . . things I understand, things that have value now and in the future, things that will never be ‘obsolete’ nor dependent on value from the perspective of someone else.
Heh…as the DH and I have discussed many times: investing in gold is only something that is considered by most of us when things have gone south, at which point, gold is sky high and not reachable. Gold was in the $300 a troy oz. in 2000..now it’s in the $900-1000 range. I know there are people who would disagree with me, and certainly in my grandfather’s family, there was a set of diamond earrings that made numerous trips to the pawn brokers and were finally left there. But I think the entire discussion is sort of not worth having. A better investment (and I know Ian would agree because I asked him)is to put money into energy savings in your home — get rid of the leaky old windows and make sure you have proper and appropriately installed insulation(I say appropriately installed because we looked at a house where the attic was insulated, but the bats were put in the wrong way - we would have needed to flip them).
We are getting a second freezer that we can fill by buying in bulk. This is a risky move, though, since our power has been known to go out for days at a time.
Stocking the freezer has been really helpful. Since we are switching to a more vegetarian-centered diet of beans and whole grains instead of meat, having some frozen chicken or pork helps the Mr. (who is having some trouble with going meatless) feel more secure.
I thank my lucky stars that I like to cook. It’s the one most important thing we do for thrift.
A few years ago, one of my co-workers mentioned that if there is a power outage, stuff the freezer to the top with crumpled newspapers. Apparently, that is sufficient insulation to keep what is inside still frozen. Obviously, it won’t help if the freezer is in a hot room or garage.
Dang, Toby, the oxdown link you put up sends me to Eliot Spitzer…
omg — it was diary 662, so just use the same format to find the other one. (dang..how did that happen…the ghost of Elliot Spitzer past…)
Hi Toby,
Wow! You’ve been burning up the Gazette, and I’m enjoying each and every one of your installments. Please don’t stop.
My best friend laughed when I told him Mrs. bluejeans and I use coupons regularly. He stopped laughing when I told him how much we save.
But, you say, I work in blue jeans, tees and sneakers
Comfortable, durable cotton bluejeans and t-shirts (no corp.logos) are what I live in. Lucky for me, not working right now. Sort of a one man movement to protest a long list of what’s ailing our country. I will wear them at least until the last of our troops return home from the “big lie” (gwot).
Now I must go check your link at #11 to make sure I have not missed any of your posts. It may be one I missed when I travel to a “land of no toobz”.
Peace, bluejeansntshirt
Hey there!! OK..I’ll get right to your comment about ‘durable blue jeans’ - are the blue jeans you are buying and wearing today the same quality and durability as those that you bought 20-30 years ago? The reason I say that is that my recollection of the weight of blue jeans from years ago was that they were made of much heavier denim than the ones today are. You can find heavy blue jeans - and jeans made out of hemp and a number of other fibers - but from what I have seen from Old Navy et al, the quality of the fabric(not 100% cotton, not heavy weight) and the quality of the stitching, etc. is not of the same standard as that of years ago.
You’re absolutely right about todays jeans. I wrote to Levi Strauss about this subject quite awhile ago. Breaking in a new pair was a chore, but when you got ‘em just right, there was nothing more comfortable. Heck, we even splashed ‘em with bleach when it was teh cool thing to do.
Why folks would pay more for acid washed or stone washed jeans always puzzled me. Tried on a pair once and there were pebbles in the pockets.
bluejeansntshirt
Not me. I only buy what I like. But, maybe someone else can relate.
Oh no. Now my Grandmother’s little sayings will come back to bite me, like “waste not, want not.” Will I have to start darning my socks again? Patching my pants when my wallet wears a hole in the pocket? Wear my shirts that have become threadbare? Sew on missing buttons?
Bob in HI
Darning socks? well, if they are handmade by loving hands of a relative, probably; commercial socks? No. My father made the mistake of a)darning his socks and b)taking advantage of every bargain that ever came his way, so when he died, we found 32 pairs of brand new beautiful wool socks in his drawer…and five pairs of old, darned socks. Priorities..priorities… If the pants in question are part of a suit, then getting the hole rewoven is definitely worth doing; if it’s good blue jeans, then a good patch is worth it too. Sew on missing buttons - Hell yes.
How to Darn socks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nY1jTVyBE0
How to sew on buttons: http://www.wikihow.com/Sew-a-Button
Patching pants(this is not a pocket patch, but): http://www.expertvillage.com/v.....-patch.htm
Actually, there is a whole series; Expert Village is amazing… http://www.expertvillage.com/v.....atches.htm